Cary Sherburne:  Hi, I'm Cary Sherburne, Senior Editor at WhatTheyThink, and I'm here with Jeroen van Druenen, who is a director at Jubels in Amsterdam.  Welcome.

Jeroen van Druenen:  Thank you, Cary.  Nice to be here.

Cary Sherburne:  nice to have you here.

Jeroen van Druenen:  Yeah.

Cary Sherburne:  And here being Drupa 2012 in Dusseldorf; not too long of a trip for you.

Jeroen van Druenen:  No, it was just a two hours drive and I'm heading home tonight so that's...

Cary Sherburne:  So you're here at -- we're here at Drupa 2012 and you didn't have to travel as far as I did to get here but here you are and perhaps you could just talk a little bit about why -- what you expected to see here, maybe what you have seen here, and maybe what surprised you about being here.

Jeroen van Druenen:  I've seen lots of positive people and...

Cary Sherburne:  The attendees.

Jeroen van Druenen:  Yeah, the attendees are very positive and, although, the industry itself is slow, really slow, the way we communicate is rapidly changing and everybody here is having a positive vibe and that's good.

Cary Sherburne:  Yeah.  Even I think much more positive than 2008.  

Jeroen van Druenen:  Yeah.

Cary Sherburne:  Yeah.  So that's good.  And in terms of what some of the vendors are announcing, have you seen anything that surprised you?

Jeroen van Druenen:  Oh, I like the inkjet and the technology is changing rapidly; that's nice to see.  Although, there's a lot to do and I hope to be back on Monday-- next Monday -- to see the Benny Landa show.

Cary Sherburne:  Okay.  Landa Land.

Jeroen van Druenen:  Landa Land, yeah.  That's nice.  It's nice to see, yeah.

Cary Sherburne:  Yeah.  Now that one's not quite here yet and in the press conference he did say that he learned his lesson from past, he's not going to make the same mistakes over; he'll make different ones this time, so.

Jeroen van Druenen:  Okay.

Cary Sherburne:  But it's quite impressive.  You should see that.  And the whole B2 inkjet toner digital market is pretty interesting.  Does that look like something that's of value to your business?

Jeroen van Druenen:  Yes, I think it does, but not for the next coming two or three years, but after that maybe we can change offset into inkjet and maybe waterless inkjet but we'll see.

Cary Sherburne:  Yeah.  Great.  So you'll be back again.  You know, it's easy for you to come and go; that's great.  We have to stay here for the whole two weeks.

Jeroen van Druenen:  I know.  But three days is for me also enough.

Cary Sherburne:  Yeah.  But you know, you're right, the energy level is high and the first couple of days were slow because there's Holidays and stuff that people, but it's busy, busy now and like you said it's very positive.  So, thanks.

Jeroen van Druenen:  Yeah.

Cary Sherburne:  We'll see you next week.

Jeroen van Druenen:  Okay.  Thank you.