One of the real highlights of drupa is to be found in the Heidelberg halls, Hall 1 and 2. Here in a superb layout all the Heidelberg and Polar products are in operation. What may not be realized is that every one of these products is linked together in what may be the world's largest fully integrated printshop. I am advised there are around 80 different products all connected onto a total system and linked to a central managed database. The server configuration managing all of this consists of nearly 100 servers. The connectivity is a high-speed Ethernet configuration and the key to the connectivity and messaging is JDF. Yes, JDF is on the Heidelberg booth allowing all data to the transferred between systems and JMF is handling all messaging between the products and the servers. The status of any item in the two halls can be seen from one terminal with the correct aspect rights, including how it is running, its speed, its paper and ink status, etc. This is all done using the Heidelberg Prinect workflow systems. As the message on the stand says - "Get Prinected."
Heidelberg is introducing a number of new systems into its Prinect workflow. These include the Integration Manager and the Scheduler. This now makes a very complete workflow, and I would think that no other supplier can approach the range of products supported and extensiveness of the Prinect workflow. In the area of press suppliers I don't see any other manufacturer that can be considered to have anything even slightly comparable. Heidelberg also has probably the highest number of MIS systems validated for full JDF/JMF connectivity to Prinect. At drupa it was using its own Prinance MIS system.
One of the items I was most interested to see was the new Prinect Packaging workflow. Heidelberg is concentrating on packaging as a key area of growth and saw the need to develop a complete packaging workflow. When this was announced last year I was dubious of the decision. In the East Asiatic market Heidelberg had an excellent relationship with EskoArtwork, the world leader in packaging workflow. I felt at the time Heidelberg was wrong in not extending its agreement with EskoArtwork and deciding to do its own thing. Well, I was wrong. The new Prinect Package Designer approach is really excellent and very well thought through. There are two main components. The first is to handle the geometric package design and this employs an interesting approach that differs from market leading products like EskoArtwork's Artios CAD. It uses a library of package elements to allow a package design in a CAD form for handling folding, creasing and cutting, and the package designer pulls these together and adjusts them rather than drawing a package from scratch. This product can take in existing geometric designs from specialist products and Adobe Illustrator and work on them.
The second item is Signapack Pro and this is a development of the well established Signastation imposition system. This allow a user to take in the geometric design and test it out in a 3D mode for correct manufacturing operations. It can be viewed in flat form of 3D, it can be rotated, viewed as a wire frame or a solid. It can then be step and repeated onto the sheet. The software allows a choice of different sheet sizes and available presses to be evaluated to asses which would provide the optimum material utilization. The image created by the designer as a PDF file is placed and adjusted on the package, and then stepped onto all the individual packages on the sheet. A neat facility is being able to provide reference numbers on the waste areas of the sheet so if there are problems in finishing a user can easily identify where the faults are to be found.
I found this new Prinect Package Designer package a very comprehensive solution. It is not as yet the equivalent of EskoArtworks solution, but from what I saw it is better than the packaging solutions from all the other prepress suppliers. I was amazed how good it was. It is ideal to take designs from creative designers and assign them to packages. It does not at this time reach up into the creative design aspects of packaging in the planning of the package around the product, not does it allow for viewing of special effects like embossing and metallic tints. As a good system to help Heidelberg sell a total packaging solution it is excellent and is a real potential competitor to EskoArtwork in the sale of packaging design and production solutions.
Heidelberg may have been emphasising its new XL range of presses and in particular the XL145 and XL162 but I still stick to what I said some years ago when speaking at a Heidelberg management event. "Prinect is the crown jewels of Heidelberg."
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By Rene Delbar on Jun 11, 2008
Dear Andy,
I read your comments on Heidelberg's new packaging software with great interest.
I am sure that Package Designer and Signapack Pro have a number of nice features. However, the two examples you cite may not exactly sound like news to the CAD design community.
Standard design libraries were introduced to the market in 1977/78 concurrently by our own Simon James and by Dr Ulmer from Lasercomb. This capability has been a standard feature of all major CAD software since then. (Of course, you also need the means to create new and modify existing standards as well).
As for automatic station numbering (adding references to the various positions on a stepped layout), this has been part of our software since about 1990, and again was found in many other programs thereafter.
Anyway, thanks for acknowledging the position of the EskoArtwork products in the market as well!
Best regards,
René
By Michael Mittelhaus on Jun 12, 2008
While I agree with Andrew and acknowledge that Heidelbergs Prinect packaging workflow as a most interesting new entry, I would like to point out two things:
A) HD´s entry into the packaging solution market might create the most challenging competition, that Esko ever had in its main market; on the other hand EskoArtworks tools and packaging workflow software are at least two years ahead of Heidelberg.
B) Heidelbergs Prinect system, esp. the Prinect Scheduler, the Postpress Manager and the Data Terminals were the most important systems at Drupa, which represented far ahead JDF networked integration. The Prinect scheduler is very challenging in comparison to all planning and scheduling solutions from MIS vendors.
By Anon on Jun 16, 2008
Andy, we are used to your pro Heidelberg editorials, but this is priceless...did you even take a look at other workflow solutions on hand at drupa? Heidelberg have a lot of great products - Prinect is not one of them....
By Andrew Tribute on Jun 17, 2008
If you are not prepared to put your name and company on a comment it is not worth looking at. However since you ask of course I looked at many other workflow systems. Perhaps as you are most likely a vendor of one of those systems look you should look at your competition and perhaps understand that workflow covers the entire process from creation through ordering up to finished print delivery.
By Sam on Jun 23, 2008
interesting... Makes me think the Kodak rep we had in here the other day is all wet when he told me "Prinergy now has 75% of the workflow market"
By Anon on Jun 25, 2008
Sam...
i sugest you take this article with a grain of salt, it's mostly a fiction piece, or an advertorial at least.
Do your own homework on workflow, Andrew certainly hasn't done his.
By Andy McCourt on Jun 26, 2008
Anon Dude,
The fact that this forum will post your diatribe even though you hide beyond anonymity is exemplar of its unbiased, fair and open policy. I have known Andrew T for almost 20 years as both a competitor and analyst/journalist colleague. I can say he does do his homework and the article certainly is NOT fiction - it's a fair look at Heidelberg's offerings and he fairly looked at, studied and commented on a lot of other Drupa exhibitors' offerings (watch the video eg). I could go on. Now, why not tell us who YOU are, and what YOU have done for the benefit of the printing industry these past 20 years?
By Erik Nikkanen on Jun 26, 2008
This is interesting. It seems that now one needs to have obtained a Nobel Prize in printing to qualify to make comments. And the judges of your worth to the industry are journalists since to some extent, they control the air waves.
I have always thought the role of journalists was to get to the truth, interpret issues and bring issues out in the open. Maybe trade journalism has a bit more to do with trade and a bit less with truth. I hope not.
Mr. McCourt, you are a journalist. Why not act like one and ask tough questions instead of making a personal attack. You are the professional.
I have no idea what is true about the main issues with Prinect but I am sure some will like it and others will not and both will have good reasons.
And as far as the forum posting a diatribe and therefore being open, well this is not quite true either. They have certainly removed one of my posted diatribes. They do it and it is their right.
Who knows how much else has been blocked. Since jounalists have some control of the public discussions, they also have to take responsibility for what has not been discussed over the years.
By Adam Dewitz on Jun 26, 2008
Erik,
I'm not sure what comments you are referring to when you state, "They have certainly removed one of my posted diatribes. They do it and it is their right."
In future before you make accusations that you have been censored on this site I suggest you contact me. None of your comments have been removed by myself or any of the others with editor authority (which includes myself, Randy Davidson, and Eric Vessels). Perhaps the system flagged your message as spam and it was mistakingly purged. We receive a lot of spam comments everyday. Or maybe there was an error upon submission.
Comments are not randomly edited or deleted without justification or explanation. The Print CEO Blog has a Comment Posting Policy that outlines how comments are treated:
http://printceoblog.com/comment-posting-policy
I'm amused by your comments that "journalists control the air waves" and "have some control of the public discussions." This type of paranoia is laughable. If anything new media has democratized the publishing process and made it easy for anyone to speak up. Technology has made it so easy that one company markets there service as "push button publishing."
By Andy McCourt on Jun 26, 2008
Erik,
Thanks for the lesson in Journalism. I'll take note of it next time I get a press release from someone claiming to have the best product in the world.
Publishers control the airwaves. Journalists, Reporters, Commentators, Analysts, Op-Ed writers et al do not.
You have strong opinions, well articulated. Keep on posting. Did I attack anyone? Anon is not a person. Anon is exactly that...a non...entity that is. Anon is a cloak of insecurity put on by someone who feels they can say what they like and make accusations without taking any of the responsibility.
No, a Nobel Prize is not needed at all. Just a name and preferrably a web link.
Back to the thread...I like what I see in Prinect too - and where it's heading - but I speak with users of Esko Artwork Systems in the packaging sector and they say it's better for that application.
Please call me Andy.
By Anon on Jun 27, 2008
"Heidelberg also has probably the highest number of MIS systems validated for full JDF/JMF connectivity"
here's a prime example of pure fiction, check the official CIP4 website for who has the most MIS certifications, here's a hint, it's not Heidelberg .
I read another report from Andy at Drupa in which he claimed, Heidelberg had by far the best CTP devices...absurd!
as i originally stated, i have nothing against Heidelberg, just these advertorials masquerading as journalism...
FYI, i work for a printer and have used most of the leading workflow solutions, including prinect for the better part of 9 years....
By Andrew Tribute on Jun 27, 2008
Sorry for a delay in replying to the various comments many about me and the suggested bias towards Heidelberg. I am on holiday sailing and getting to reply via my mobile phone that picks up emails is difficult. May I thank Andy McCourt for his defence of my reputation. It reminds of the times when Creo critisized me as being in the pay of Scitex in the days of the Square Spot (Viagra Spot) debates.
Firstly I fully agree with Andy MCcOourt about anonymous postings and even more so where the given reply email address is untraceable and equally anonymous. As far as the number of Heidelberg's MIS/JDF accreditations I have not stated that Heidelberg has the most and I have not looked at the CIP4 web site to see who claims to be number one. I do however stand by my statement that there is no supplier that comes close to the level of functionality in a total workflow environment as Heidelberg. I am not just talking about which company has the best prepress workflow. If that was the case I would probably have identified Kodak or Agfa.
As far as the comment on Heidelberg's Suprasetter being more advanced than other suppliers' products I stand by that view. It is not a case of who has the most installs, that happens to be Screen. I am talking about the technology in the product and the range of proiduct variations. Heidelberg's imaging technology using very small monolithic integrated circuits comprising multiple high power laser emitters (64 per module with up to six modules being linked into an array) is far more advanced than using a very high power diode bar with a light valve or grating light valve to split the beams. Heidelberg's technology has a far higher reliability factor, gives greater power at the plate per beam and has a lower running cost. The other suppliers imaging heads have a much higher failure rate and this puts up their service costs. Perhaps Anon with his great knowledge will tell me why the Screen or Kodak devices are better in terms of technology.
By Adam Dewitz on Jun 27, 2008
I'm OK with anonymous comments as long as they are constructive and add to the conversation.
However there is zero tolerance for attempts at shilling. Which evidence suggests we have on this comment thread.
The first two comments from "Anon" came from an IP address block (CIDR: 204.174.12.0/23, 204.174.14.0/24) owned by Kodak GCG Canada in Burnaby. The last comment came from a different IP address (216.19.180.58), but it's also from Vancouver, BC owned by Novus Entertainment Inc. Novus is a cable and broadband provider.
@Anon: Can you address why your first two comments came from an IP CIDR block owned by Kodak GCG Canada? The last from Novus Entertainment Inc. Have you decided to do your chilling from home instead of at the office?
Feel free to contact me via email if you have any questions.
By Henk Gianotten on Jul 09, 2008
I fully agree with the complaints on anonymous postings. It's great to have different opinions. Exchange your opinions and experiences. We all can learn from that. But please Anon, be specific and tell your background.
By the way, Heidelberg has a great workflow. Kodak too. But "only" seems very suspicious, to me.
P.S.: I sold workflows and equipment from Heidelberg and Creo/Kodak!
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